Monday, December 8, 2025

Picking an Enchiridion Translation

 I decided to start out by looking at the first entry in Enchiridion for each of the translators to see if I could start narrowing it down.

Walton:

Some things we can control, some we can’t. We can control our attitudes, opinions, goals and desires – choices of our own. We can’t control health, wealth, fame or power – things we can’t have by choosing them.

I don't like the use of health here, since it is (to an extent) under our control. Eat right, sleep well, exercise, etc. I don't know if that's a quirk of this particular translation or in the original. On the other hand, I'm not sure I believe we have a ton of control over our desires.

Oldfather:

Some things are under our control, while others are not under our control. Under our control are conception, choice, desire, aversion, and, in a word, everything that is our own doing; not under our control are our body, our property, reputation, office, and, in a word, everything that is not our own doing.

Adds an entire extra category (aversion) and switches health to body, which is a bit better. 

Matheson:

Of all existing things some are in our power, and others are not in our power. In our power are thought, impulse, will to get and will to avoid, and, in a word, everything which is our own doing. Things not in our power include the body, property, reputation, office, and, in a word, everything which is not our own doing

Pretty similar to Oldfather.

Long:

Of things some are in our power, and others are not. In our power are opinion, movement toward a thing, desire, aversion (turning from a thing); and in a word, whatever are our own acts: not in our power are the body, property, reputation, offices (magisterial power), and in a word, what­ever are not our own acts. 

That's some impressively weird construction with all the parenthesis and colons.

Rolleston:

Of things that exist, some depend upon ourselves, others do not depend upon ourselves. Of things that depend upon ourselves are our opinions and impulses, desires and aversions, and, briefly, all that is of our own doing. Of things that do not depend upon ourselves are the body, possessions, reputation, civil authority, and, briefly, all that is not of our own doing.

Kinda wordy.

Higginson:

There are things which are within our power, and there are things which are beyond our power. Within our power are opinion, aim, desire, aversion, and, in one word, whatever affairs are our own. Beyond our power are body, property, reputation, office, and, in one word, whatever are not properly our own affairs.

Carter:

Some things are in our control and others not. Things in our control are opinion, pursuit, desire, aversion, and, in a word, whatever are our own actions. Things not in our control are body, property, reputation, command, and, in one word, whatever are not our own actions.

These two are pretty samey.

I'm going to start by eliminating Walton (overlaps with Carter and Higginson, but seems less accurate), Long (weird construction), and Rolleston (wordy.)

That leaves: Oldfather, Matheson, Higginson, and Carter. They pair off nicely, so I'll read the next bit for each pair and go from there.

Oldfather:

Furthermore, the things under our control are by nature free, unhindered, and unimpeded; while the things not under our control are weak, servile, subject to hindrance, and not our own. Remember, therefore, that if what is naturally slavish you think to be free, and what is not your own to be your own, you will be hampered, will grieve, will be in turmoil, and will blame both gods and men; while if you think only what is your own to be your own, and what is not your own to be, as it really is, not your own, then no one will ever be able to exert compulsion upon you, no one will hinder you, you will blame no one, will find fault with no one, will do absolutely nothing against your will, you will have no personal enemy, no one will harm you, for neither is there any harm that can touch you.

Again, this seems kind of hair-splittish that our desires, etc. are totally free while our body and property are servile.

Matheson:

Things in our power are by nature free, unhindered, untrammelled; things not in our power are weak, servile, subject to hindrance, dependent on others. Remember then that if you imagine that what is naturally slavish is free, and what is naturally another’s is your own, you will be hampered, you will mourn, you will be put to confusion, you will blame gods and men; but if you think that only your own belongs to you, and that what is another’s is indeed another’s, no one will ever put compulsion or hindrance on you, you will blame none, you will accuse none, you will do nothing against your will, no one will harm you, you will have no enemy, for no harm can touch you.

I think I like Oldfather's a bit better (grieve vs mourn) but they're pretty similar.

Higginson:

Now, the things within our power are by nature free, unrestricted, unhindered; but those beyond our power are weak, dependent, restricted, alien. Remember, then, that if you attribute freedom to things by nature dependent, and take what belongs to others for your own, you will be hindered, you will lament, you will be disturbed, you will find fault both with gods and men. But if you take for your own only that which is your own, and view what belongs to others just as it really is, then no one will ever compel you, no one will restrict you, you will find fault with no one, you will accuse no one, you will do nothing against your will; no one will hurt you, you will not have an enemy, nor will you suffer any harm.

Overall, I like this a lot better than the other pair. Dependent vs servile seems better. In general the whole thing is a big cleaner.

Carter:

The things in our control are by nature free, unrestrained, unhindered; but those not in our control are weak, slavish, restrained, belonging to others. Remember, then, that if you suppose that things which are slavish by nature are also free, and that what belongs to others is your own, then you will be hindered. You will lament, you will be disturbed, and you will find fault both with gods and men. But if you suppose that only to be your own which is your own, and what belongs to others such as it really is, then no one will ever compel you or restrain you. Further, you will find fault with no one or accuse no one. You will do nothing against your will. No one will hurt you, you will have no enemies, and you not be harmed.

Again, similar, but Higginson's phrasing is cleaner and a bit more active.

So, for the time being, I'm going to focus on Higginson, Carter, and Oldfather as my base 3 (since that's how many the site supports at a time) and narrow it from there.

Sunday, December 7, 2025

"The Golden Sayings of Epictetus" AKA The Enchiridion (~125)

 "The Golden Sayings of Epictetus" is an adaptation of The Enchiridion, ("Manual") which is, itself a distillation of his speeches assembled by student Arrian. It's Christianified somewhat, and is generally considered a mediocre at best version.

This is the first time I'll be fully diverging from the edition of a text in T5FSOB. Instead, I'm going to use this website.

As much as possible, I try to use open source/public domain sources where possible. This is for two reasons:

1. I'm a cheap bastard, and that saves me from having to buy stuff for the blog (ignore all the books I have bought for it.)

2. I think they're valuable and try to promote/support them as much as possible. 

The versions available are:

1. The original (Greek). This doesn't really seem super useful, unless I want to try to retranslate a specific section.

2. Carter: Popular, generally considered fairly accurate, but very readable.

3. Higginson: Partially descended from the Carter.

4. Walton: Adapted from Carter and Higginson.

5. Long: The "traditional" choice.

6. Matheson: Does not appear to be super popular.

7. Oldfather: Appears relatively respected.

I'll take the first couple days to compare the various versions, and hopefully lock in on one to read for the rest. I don't think I want to dance around 4 or 5 for the whole thing.

Saturday, December 6, 2025

Closing Out Plato

So, that wraps up Plato. I think I've pretty much said how I feel. He/Socrates don't really advance proper arguments, so much as vague assertions with no basis. Socrates can't kill himself cause he belongs to the gods. He doesn't prove that he belongs from the gods, or that belonging to the gods prevents him from killing himself, just go with it. Likewise, he can't escape because loyalty to the state is such a high virtue (but you can still go around trolling apparently), but he doesn't prove that. He also could've been loyal and asked to get exiled or something, but that's beyond him. The dialogue format is atrocious for communicating them, both unwieldy and awkward sounding. 

In general, I've never liked Plato. My Intro to Philosophy course in undergrad basically just consisted of the prof going, "You're all idiots in a cave!" at us and then leaving to go smoke weed in his office while we took tests with typos on them.

And that kind of sums up my experience with Plato here in these readings. I guess I'm just too clueless to understand how Socrates is so fucking brilliant while he goes around bothering people and then gets himself killed in the most pointless way possible. If I was assembling a 5FSOB style collection, I might include Crito as an example, being both shorter and slightly less terrible than the others. He's a major figure, so some representation seems reasonably, though not a third of a book.

If I was doing excerpts, ala GW2TGB I'd probably pull "The Cave" out of Republic. I reread it tonight. It's probably the least objectionable Plato I've read. It's still pretentious claptrap, but at least it has a coherent thesis.

Plato 1/5.

Friday, December 5, 2025

Plato's Crito (~400 BC) translated by Benjamin Jowett

Plato's Crito

Bonus: 

Socrates mix tape.

Summary: Socrates explains his suicide by cop and is a deadbeat dad.

Commentary: Officially DNFing Phaedo after reading another page and wanting to gouge my eyes out, so I'm going to Crito which I should've actually read first. I remember thinking Phaedo seemed too long, probably because I checked the Crito page count (a very manageable 15ish). I decided to plow through it all in one go. Seems more likely I'll enjoy or get something out of it this way. When I reviewed it last year, I mostly panned it as less bad than the others. Not a great start.

I learned from this that Socrates had a wife and kids. Can you imagine being his wife? You husband just goes around harassing people all day, not helping out around the house or supporting the family. Ugh.

Beyond that, some super cursory tyranny of the majority and black and white thinking (along with making sure you listen to your designated master, not anyone else.) I can't believe people thought he was building a youth corruption cult...

Anyway, Socrates basically says that if you believe in justice you have to accept the decisions of the state, and thus he can't run away from his death sentence. Considering the fact that he basically argued himself into his death sentence, it's pretty goofy. He points out that he might travel to and be accepted in other states, but didn't suggest exile as his punishment? This whole thing is just one long suicide by cop. (Also, why is the state's justice perfect and absolute, but that's less fun.)

Thursday, December 4, 2025

Plato's Phaedo (~400 BC) translated by Benjamin Jowett Part 3

   Plato's Phaedo

Bonus:
It's a playbook!

Summary: Blah blah Socrates blah blah.

Commentary: So, as I've established however many times, these dialogues suck. The writing is clunky, the arguments are lazy, the construction is awkward. I'm probably going to just DNF Phaedo and I doubt I'll get very far on the others.

But, I think I know the reason why. Plato is trying to write a play. He's doing a terrible job (why would you have a play where one character talks as other characters for 20 minutes?) but that's why they suck. Beyond that, the philosophy is still more "vaguely claimed thesis with no evidence" that's not really worth commenting on, since I'd just be copying the same "prove it" every 5 lines.

Tuesday, December 2, 2025

Plato's Phaedo (~400 BC) translated by Benjamin Jowett

  Plato's Phaedo

Bonus: 

Socrates would hit the dog.

Summary: Bad arguments; written badly

Commentary: 

I admit the appearance of inconsistency in what I am saying; but there may not be any real inconsistency after all. There is a doctrine whispered in secret that man is a prisoner who has no right to open the door and run away; this is a great mystery which I do not quite understand. Yet I too believe that the gods are our guardians, and that we are a possession of theirs. Do you not agree?
Yes, I quite agree, said Cebes.
And if one of your own possessions, an ox or an ass, for example, took the liberty of putting himself out of the way when you had given no intimation of your wish that he should die, would you not be angry with him, and would you not punish him if you could? 
Certainly, replied Cebes.

As someone who had a cat run away, I can assure you that the first thing I would do if I found him would not be punish him. Some people would argue that this is intentionally flawed logic, or maybe some kind of satire/irony. I feel like if you construct Socrates as the uber-philosopher and then make him sound like an idiot it's shit writing.


Sunday, November 30, 2025

Some Fruits of Solitude: Part 10 Temperance (59-72)

 Some Fruits of Solitude: Part 10 Temperance (59-72)

Bonus: 

It's one of the cardinal virtues!

Summary: Don't do too much of anything.

Commentary: 

59: Eat to live, don't live to eat.

60. Eat frugally.

61. Eating good food is good for your stomach.

62. Don't eat so much meat.

63. Enough is BETTER THAN a fest.

64. If you wake up hungry, you'll always sit down hungry?

65. Don't drink except when you're thirsty. (William Penn was not a Boy Scout.)

66. Not getting drunk is good.

67. Sometimes drinking strong drinks is good for you.

68. The most common things are the most useful. (Not actually a paraphrase.)

69. Don't overuse rare things.

70. Don't waste things.

71. Don't tell people to do anything you wouldn't do yourself.

72. Too much of anything is bad.

This feels like it'd be better split into 2 or 3 topics. Also, one or two spots where it's unclear if he's talking about drinking anything or drinking liquor. I think he's far enough in time to be past the "all drinks are alcohol" phase. 

Topic List: Ignorance, Education, Luxury, Inconsideration, Disappointment And Resignation, Murmurs, Censoriousness, Bounds of Charity, Frugality or Bounty, Discipline, Industry, Temperance

Picking an Enchiridion Translation

 I decided to start out by looking at the first entry in Enchiridion for each of the translators to see if I could start narrowing it down. ...